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The Red Ring of Death…Cure Found!

by PacoDG

buddychrist.jpgSo, in an earlier post I stated my Xbox 360 had a “Red Ring of Death.” As I posted and worried in many forums, Destructoid, hell, even the official Xbox forums. Choices were coming down to ending up selling it off used @ $150 and using the money to get a new Core system, then mention of the towel trick came up. I remember a while ago reading about someone thinking about using the Towel Trick, a great user on DToid named Grim. At this point, I was willing to try anything (it had only been a day without my 360, and already I was getting the shakes)

I get home from work (5:20am or so, I instantly grab some towels, as per the good “FAQ” I read on the subject of the towel trick [source] I did the directions perfectly, so here I shall share with you all. Before starting, take out your hard drive, and controllers, have a nice surface where you can put your 360 down on.

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1- Put one towel down, put the 360 on top, add another towel on top, cover all sides/backs/etc. This is key, you have to have that Xbox covered. When you can’t see it, finger around to find the power button and turn it on. Wait 10-15 minutes. I started at 5:22am, and then started to do crap on the computer to kill time.

2- Then I got so into other stuff, I ended up turning the system off at 5:37am, so I did the full 15 minutes, no biggie. Now it was..

3- Cool down time. I waited 15 minutes before turning back on the system as recommended.

Turned back on, I got a chubby when all I seen was green lights. I turned off the system to put back in the hard drive and throw in a game.

For a really great video tuturial, look no further than down.


Aftermath to this story, I ended up being so happy I thought Id play a Team Skirmish or two in Halo 2. No such luck, they f’n make have to buy new maps to play in matchmaking. It will be free one day though, no? And I still got the Beta.

*sigh* What a stressful night.

((Update: Friday June 1st marked the day I got the coffin from Microsoft for my deadbox 360. I missed out on most of the Halo 3 beta. At the least, everything they are doing is costing me nothing, and I do have a launch unit. If you still have a red ring and have either a modded 360 and/or a unit out of warranty, maybe its time to back up your investment in your 360 by learning more about its insides. Click here and here for help! C’mon, are you doing anything else with your paperweight?))


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92 Responses to “The Red Ring of Death…Cure Found!”

  1. fsdf Says:

    As your 360 ages the PCB board that the processor sits on warps with heat. For some reason Softy didn’t make the PCB’s in this console or the elite to be very duruble or able to handle the high temperatures of conintued use. As you PCB warps it probably causes lifted solder joints on the PCB at the connection with the processor. So when you heat up your 360 with the towel trick, you’re probably warping your PCB more, and then that connection with the lifted solder joint settles back in. You are right though, it is probably a temp fix.

  2. J.W. Says:

    You lucky son of a bitch… :P

  3. 영계 Says:

    Thanks for sharing that information!

  4. ?? Says:

    it only works temporarily, it doesnt fix it, soon it will give you the ring of death again. i tried it to mine when it was broke, worked for like a day. the next day, 3 red lights. its gonna happen.

  5. Says:

    Did it right now, waiting for it to cool down….. i pray to god at this moment. please join me in a prayer.

    Dear Lord

    May my xbox be restored for 24 hours for me to play guitar hero and graw 2 because microsoft will be molesting my xbox 360 for two weeks until i can play again.

    amen.

  6. ~J~ Says:

    Gotta agree with #3. I’m sure the problem is related to heating/expanding of some component because the fix is only for a short time. Either way, get it replaced, it’s broke, end of.

  7. PacoDG Says:

    Yeah, my update to all this, is I am going to just Towel Trick until the Halo 3 Beta is done, then get a new box, cause I do still have warranty.

  8. Griphin Says:

    Its a heat thing. The red-light-fever is caused by the mainboard FLEXING from the heat buildup and allowing the cpu to pop out of its socket. Im betting this trick allows the board to flex up again and because it cools slowly it allows the cpu to slip back into place slowly rather than having the board snap back quickly. The board doesnt heat up when the cpu isn’t connected.

  9. Robert Says:

    Did you try blowing on the cartage?

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  11. Gamer Says:

    LoL, man articles like this make me glad I never bought a 360, what a piece of junk…

  12. Bad Idea Says:

    This is a HUGE fire hazard, sell it, especially if it’s only temporary

  13. Dcnigma Says:

    How it works?

    well i think its the same principle as the hot air gun trick. it also only temporarily.
    But now you dont need to open your xbox to blow heat over your mobo. nice trick gone try it on my busted xbox later this day, thx.

  14. dunnypop Says:

    i think the reason there’s the ring of death is because of the solder it uses.
    so u use the towel and it heats the entire system up, and the solder expands.

    something like that.

  15. irfanullah Says:

    helloooo.

    I BLEW IT . Another great news . i have also found another cure for the “Red ring of death”. i will tell you people quickly.

    1.take the hard disk from your Box out and fire up your room heater. put the xbox 360 infront of room heater at a distance of 14 inches and warm all the sides of your xbox360 for 2 minutes each side .then switch it on after 5-6 minutes. and hopefully you will find it green .INSHALLAH.i have done this trick to my BOX a month ago and its still working and not shown the red light anymore.if ur xbox fixed then plz inform me on my email address().

    thank you .and enjoy your games.

    babye

  16. jay Says:

    i have the best solustion

    got a tech who has experience witht the xbox 360

    get him to modify the fans inside the system to run at full speed at all times and then add another fan and us foil to make a ventalation to the core chips system inside the 360.. this will keep system cool for about 9 hrs of games time… i can personaly confirm this works…..when i take my dvd ot after long play times.. i never ever have a problem about hot dvds or red lights of death

  17. Mushu Says:

    Well, the real problem is there is only so much technology you can pack into a device relative to its size and power. These company’s are putting TOO MUCH stuff in these console and the system can’t sustained itsself for long. That’t why MS has red lights of death and sony had to reall 200,000 of the intial 400,000 PS3′S it shipped on lauch. That’s why all PS1 and PS2 games worked and why they had problems with getting the bluray to work. Its just to much. A packmule can only carry so much before it kicks back on you.

  18. Mr. Tangent Says:

    I have a “fix”. Sell the POS Xbox 360, buy a Wii or PS3. Tada! Fixed! I can’t believe people still dog the PS3, when I don’t hear about PS3’s dying like I do with the Xbox 360. For the sake of full disclosure, I own all three systems, and a PC/Mac, but I think the PS3 is a much better system overall, especially given the motion control and standards-based peripherals like Bluetooth, SATA drive, etc.

  19. XxCYONIDExX Says:

    By what I’ve experienced with the RLOD(Red lights of Death) it was actually a power supply issue. If you have a fan or any other device drawing power away from your console which possibly overloads your power supply. Note that controller chargers do not do this its mainly devices not made by microsoft or cooling devices.

  20. The Grim Reaper Says:

    @17
    Totally wrong!
    The ROD is caused by rubbish constructed MBs

    If the CPU and GPU are stressed (let’s say while you are playing games) the MB begins to warp (much likely) resulting in the ROD (because the BGA connections to CPU and GPU will pop out).

    Some people have luck and their 360 had never shown indications of a ROD ever since November 05, but it could happen every day!

    That is a reason why the official failure rate is so low. They exclude the RODs because they are aware of this Problem.
    You want to know how they addressed this issue with the Elite?
    Well, I was as curious as you are and I opened my Elite. First thought: LOL
    Why? They put some epoxy around CPU and GPU.
    Well I don’t know if it’ll help a lot but it tells me as a consumer that MS isn’t trying to fix! They are just taking the easy (and CHEAP) way out.

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  22. Sephious Says:

    WTF???? Maybe everyone is not as technical as some of us…. but wrapping a towel around your xb360 is just plain lazy. There is a much beter way to fix this (heat gun). Now I will admit I have had to do the heat gun trick four times now but each time I get at least two to three months of play from it. The only real fix for this is to remove the CPU and GPU and resolder the BGA connections. I think that posting this on digg as the fix all for your xbox360 problems is misinforming and will likely result in alot of broken consoles if not housefires. If you want to learn how to do the heatgun trick go to xboxhacker.com and run a search for 0102. Side note you may also want to pull the heatsinks up and put down real thermal paste. I checked my processor last week and the thermal compound was literaly the consistancy of rubber. If you find the same on your 360 scrape it off and replace with artic thunder thermal compound or at least something other than rubber.

  23. Me Says:

    This is to Mr. Tangent #16 post. PS2 break like NOTHING I have never seen. I worked as a manager of a videogame store for 2 years and at least 40%-50% of people buying a PS2 were replacing a broken ones(I always asked because they didn’t need memory cards or anything because it was just a replacement). Yet PS2 was the #1 selling system. This isn’t hate just the truth.

  24. Says:

    Heres a new way to get rid of the RLOD :D

    1. Take 360
    2. Throw it, as far as possible out of view.
    3. Enjoy view, now without red lights ^_^

    JK, lol. I’ve only gotten the RLOD once, but it managed to fix itself within seconds and it’s been fine ever since.

  25. cellfluid Says:

    all of that talk about the price of a p3 hahaha 250 for a seperate 120gig hard drive 475 for the elite 200 for a hd/dvd player haha u do the math 599 for my ps3 and im good.. no wounder they had an offer on free towels when u bought a 360 hahah ahaha hahaha yall systems sucks balls big time

  26. jaren Says:

    thanks for the info… man i thought my 360’s a goner…

  27. mgroves Says:

    Here’s a better idea:

    Step 1. Put the towel down.
    Step 2. Go lie down for a while.
    Step 3. Get a cold drink, perhaps.
    Step 4. Okay, now send in your Xbox to MS and let sane people fix it.

  28. BigBeaverEater Says:

    My 360 got the ring of death yesterday thanks for the info.

  29. Motorcycle Guy Says:

    What haha? how does this work? does it just get it hot and reset it somehow?

  30. Mannyfresh Says:

    this really worked thanks alot man..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! save me some money!!!

  31. bob Says:

    BLAH BLAH BLAH consoles suck period!!!

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  34. Carl Says:

    I basically have lost my confidence in this machine and would like to contact peter moore personally and the better business bureau, I am on my third one and it appears I am not alone. Who wants to contact Petey Moore?

  35. Ste Says:

    i’m on my 5th 360. I’m lucky the shop i bought it from, Dixons (UK), replace my machine no questions asked everytime.

  36. PacoDG Says:

    Ste:
    You are soooooooo one of the lucky ones. It seems that some get a hassle to get a new machine, while others say their call to Microsoft to get a new one is like talking with an Angel.

    So far the towel trick has prevented me from calling M$, but I should do that soon anyways before my warranty is up.

  37. leighp Says:

    Well the towel trick is only temporary,i had 2 with the same problem,3 rings of death,but behold,a perminant fix is here,check out you tube “360 repair part one” then look at part two,trust me this works,it takes about 1 hour start to finish but it is worth it,and how much does it cost,well bugger all if you have a heat gun(paint stripper)and just re-use the heat sink compound.
    If your 360 is out of warrenty what have you got to lose.

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  39. Lucia Says:

    I had tried this solution before but it lasted only 2 weeks. I have recently found a new fix that really take care of the problem and it is also permanent! Here is the page for the Eraser Fix

    Don’t do it if you still have your warranty

    Lucy

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  41. vinto Says:

    I tryed it with tin foil instead, after the power is switched on the thermal cut out kicks in (Standby) after about 1 min then switched it back on 45 seconds later standby kicks in keep switching it on until it switchs on then off, this take about 6 mins! yep it works a treat 3 weeks and counting!!!

  42. josh Says:

    my xbox done it today and dose this solution really work
    plz plz plz help me get through this and i will be a very happy boy
    i am really missing my gametime playing on fifa with my brother so i can beat him.
    plz plz plz help me n plus me dad dont know so he will kill me.
    help meeeee
    thanks.

  43. HearseLUV666 Says:

    Josh you are a FUCKING retard

  44. J.W. Says:

    @ Hearse: Watch it with the language. Paco and I get away with it because we work here. We make the rules. We don’t need people like you harassing fellow readers.

  45. josh Says:

    UM THE FUCKING RETARD U WANKER.

  46. Patrick Says:

    Thanks, not mine won’t turn on at all.

  47. Patrick Says:

    now*

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  49. Tink 1977 Says:

    I tried the towel trick and it didn’t work, guess I will be without my xbox for 2 weeks :(

  50. Bob Says:

    You only get Red rings of death if you play your X-Box 360 too long since the red rings of death is from over heating. I only play my x-box 360 for aout an hour a week. I have had it for a year and a half too. The red rings has never happened to me. Just don’t over play it. I have a wii too, so i don’t need to play x-box 360 as much

  51. pacman37 Says:

    Hey i got an idea why dont u all stop playing with your stupid consoles, stop arguing, if your console has a problem and u cant fix, send it in or do what people that arnt video game losers do and get a fucking girl friend last time i checked that was free

  52. Amd-man Says:

    OMG! It really works, i did that 5min and now my X360 is working!!!

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  54. PIXDOG Says:

    Does this really work, and how long does microsoft keep your xbox. I just contacted them today to get a “box” sent out to turn it in. This blows… I have only had it 6 months.

  55. PacoDG Says:

    It took roughly about two weeks for me to get mine. If it takes longer, check this out: http://www.weplayxbox.com/2007/06/28/the-great-xbox-360-repair-debacle-part-ii/ Guy got free games from Microsoft.

    Anyways, they were actually pretty quick imo, and I got a free month of live. So far so good.

    The towel trick does work, but I wouldn’t recommend doing it for more than a week or two, just until Microsoft sends you your coffin (ie the box you will send your Xbox 360 out to them in)

  56. claytonomore Says:

    My friend the kid that got the 360 first and met Bill Gates i can’t mention his name but he says to check if your wires are bunched up or if your room is really hot well check if that will work cuz i just got shadowrun and The darkness so i really need to play them so try his tecneek!!

  57. Scapegoat Says:

    Worked for about 15 minutes then failed again.

  58. Sacred Ninja Says:

    Ya i played my 360 for about 5 hours and it is broken….

  59. Electronic Engineer Says:

    I had to write this due to all of you guys guessing wrong about what causes the connection to break between the processor & mainboard. The surface mounted chips (Intergrated Circuits) do start to unbond at temps of 90+ this is a very common problem, not just with 360’s but also anything electrical that has poor ventilation, heatsinks can do what they are supposed to do which is spread the heat from the IC’s, but also they can hinder the airflow around the IC. The so called towel trick just heats up the solder on which the surface mount ic sits on thus causing the solder to flow & then the surface mount IC then reseats its self onto the landing pads (the solder pads) the towel trick will work as temp measure, but doin this regular will cause the solder to become oxordised (loose its conductivity) due to constant reheating of the solder under the IC using the towel trick. Microsoft should have done what the germans & dutch do which is use silver solder instead of the nickel & lead based solder. Silver solder has a heat yeild of 125+ compaired to the heat yeild of nickle & lead based solder which as I said before is only good for temps of 90 degrees before it starts to melt.

  60. markamus360 Says:

    yeah i got the rrod once and my friend told me about this website where he got a free elite!! i didnt believe but i tried it and ended up getting the sign up for one offer thing so i did paid five bucks for a quickbooks dvd and actually recieved my xbox 2 weeks later just in time for the cod4 beta!!! try that link and stop the staring contest between you and that red eyed monster you call an xbox!!

  61. markamus360 Says:

    sorry forgot to tell u that the link is when you click on my name!!LOL

  62. UGLY Says:

    I called 1-800-4my-xbox, they sending me a box to ship my xbox to them (4-5days), they are going to fix it totally free, Said it was going to take 4-6weeks for repairs. But I’m trying the towel trick now.. What teh hell its being sent back for free, might as well burn her up

  63. ADEX Says:

    OMG! People, DON”T DO THIS AT HOME!
    It’s totally fake!
    This will melt some essential components of your XBox 360 hardware misleading to totally broken XBox 360, even when you send it to Microsoft after getting the 3 red lights, they will charge you for those melted parts!

    This guy is a HOAX! You can see when he unwraps the Xbox 360 in the video, the console is turned off! IT’S FAKE! ”

    Just send it to Microsoft!

  64. Glenn Says:

    Ok this towel trick doesnt work at all i just did it and now i have 4 red rings and the red rings come up instantly this just fucked it up even more thanks for nothing dont even try this!

  65. PacoDG Says:

    If you had the red rings your machine was broken in the first place. Towel tricking is a last resort, not something you do at a bamitzvahs.

  66. spuirrel Says:

    to glenn win u must have forgot to put in one of the cords becuase ithougth i had it to but i put in one of the cords and taaaaadha fix this only works with all four lights red

  67. Jesus Juice Says:

    poop

  68. Jesus Juice Says:

    open it up and shit in it and it works

  69. Steel the man Says:

    Fuck! it worked thanks man! I LOVE YOU!

  70. New faster way to fix this problem Says:

    I found out that if you overheated the 360 for 5mins and then turn it on quick it will stay on longer. If you let it cool down it will only work for like a 30 to 60 mins. My work all day as long it stay on while I playin. I hope this will work for u.

  71. mass Says:

    Had my 360 since NOV 05, just got RROD every time i start up or the picture freezes after 5mins,tried everything and gave up. Just tried the towel trick and been playing Halo 3 for over three hours,

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  73. GODLOVESME Says:

    ok i say this websight right after i got the RROD. ok well i got the ring and immeidatly i shut off my x-box, then while watching the movie i let it sit for however long it is, then i went back over to turn it on, i left the game that it died wit in it turned it on and RROD was GONE, dunno what happened but hopes this also helps ppl.

  74. soultak3r Says:

    fuck me it worked

  75. ula Says:

    towel trick worked for me, but.. big but :)
    my fcuking launch 360 doesnt want to read games anymore :(

  76. DDDDD Says:

    I’ve had my 360 since JAN 07. I got RROD after about a month and a half. Used the towel trick and it worked. Here is a way to avoid getting red ring of death in the first place. If you have already received ring of death use the towel trick then do the following. When ever you are playing your 360 for over an hour, aim a small room fan at it and put it on the lowest setting. So far I haven’t got RROD since January.

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  78. kevin kosme Says:

    i have a problem too on xbox360 red ring of death!,. ive searching for shop that can fix that problem and will not appear any more the red ring of death!,, i also try thy other method, i try to high up the tempereture of the xbox360 up to 5 hours, if my console is on heat, i can play the game but!!!!… this tricks will not work for ever, now my xbox360 is still broken, shit xbox 360, stupid xbox360 team, mga bobo kau!. huh!

  79. robby Says:

    RROOAAARR thanks for the information but it didnt work for me ):

  80. jake Says:

    its caused by idiotic owners not taking care of their 360’s put it in an open area buy an intercooler and if u really wanna stop the rrod then put a desktop fan behind it to blow out the hot air.also there is now a new heatsink for the xbox 360 so they should be more reliable.

  81. GameFreak Says:

    To Jake, #80, I contradict your statement about a few things. Its very unwise to use an intercooler. Many people have been having problems with them melting straight into their core. alot of times also, if you pull it out wrong, it will also pull out the power cord. What I recommend as an anti for RROD is set your Xbox somewhere well ventilated, and set it horizontally, with risers too keep from any air being trapped in the system. I would NEVER get an intercooler. Instead, I highly recommend getting a notebook cooler. I think Antec sells them. They fit right in with the Xbox, same color, and barely take any energy. Also, the Towel Method is highly unrecommended. As said before, it only warps your system even more.

  82. jason>halo( .Y. ) Says:

    oh shit thanks man my 360 got the red ring of death last year

  83. robbie Says:

    i was just downloading the update for shivering isles for oblivion and it stopped for abbout 3 mins so i turned it off and back on and the 360 made a noise and paused that is when it broke. did i do anything wrong?

  84. Korig Says:

    Trying the towel trick right now. Wish me luck.

  85. xTxRxAxVxIxSx Says:

    Lol, it worked for me (for now anyway).

    I started doing it (it was going for about 3 minutes and I realized “oh WOAH, I forgot to take off the hard drive” haha. So I took that off, started it over again, and let it go for 15 minutes. So all in all it was probably wrapped for about 20 minutes or so.

    Then I just turned it off then back on, and no red rings! Just the same, I’m sending my request to Microsoft anyway. I just wanted to see if it really worked!

    Thanks, haha. Now watch, it’ll probably crap back out here in about 30 minutes. :P

  86. free xbox 360 Says:

    I am scared it will only be a temporary fix for me though. I dont want to have to keep doing this forever.

  87. Samuel Polig Says:

    This is funny… I just found another cure for the Red Ring of Death…

    My 360 has has the Red Ring of Death for almost a week now, and I’ve been turning it on every day in vain hope.

    I went to try the towel trick. When I turned it on there was no Red Ring of Death.

    …It’s fixed.

    So what’s MY cure? Luck, I guess. But this is kinda weird.

  88. dan Says:

    I wanted to buy one of these, feeling that ps3 has no games is overpriced etc…. also feeling that nindendo wii feels old… but this broken piece off shit fails to impress me.. I miss my old xbox… should not have sold that thing…

    Now I get to wait a feaw yers, lets see who will manage to get things done first…

    if ps3 drops the price, and game developers start investing exclusive on it, than that will be my choice, or if xbox 360 (that seems not that impressive in horsepower) start winning back confidence with a foolproof quiet machine, with included baterys for controls than I might buy that, but at the time beeing I am just a starving gamer who choose to leave my game urges all together since the scene is sucha a shamefull one…

    In the meantime sony is developing a new ps2, wtf is that all about? that like saying yeah we know our blueray bastard is just a big piece of shit and since ps2 is selling well thats all we care about…

    the only machine that looks fairly decent on the market is prob psp. but who wants a psp?
    they could be really cool, but hard drive is smal and they seem like a mess to hack… and if u dont hack them you can only buy spiderman 3 or whatever, pirates of the carabian etc..

    It all makes u miss the commodore 64, thoes where the days ;)

  89. maties Says:

    i tryed this technique and worked great, but i can only go on the xbox360 dashboard and cant play any games they would freeze at any of the first loading screens , could any give me advice on how to fix this problem. or I will proably have to wait 4-6 dreadfull weeks so plzzz help

  90. Charlie Says:

    FUCKING AWESOME!! YOU FUCKING FIXED MY XBOX. holy shit. i never thought this would work but.. well… haha the results speak for themselves.

  91. mikw Says:

    thanks so much dude, it works!!!!!!

  92. fa22dragon Says:

    hey to 81 (gamefreak) what sort of cooler do u mean could u send me a link or sumin coz i sorta understand wat ur on about but not totally convinced cheers - o ye more relavent to the origional thing the towel trick didnt work lol whoever thout of that is crazy lol but if it works for some poeple fine.

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